tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36562133.post2037990180765993907..comments2024-02-28T17:57:05.725-05:00Comments on The Black Biretta: response to America article: CLERICALISM ???Black Birettahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08758160681203816829noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36562133.post-80908892430151964502013-12-23T16:04:03.520-05:002013-12-23T16:04:03.520-05:00Father,
You probably won't know the help your...Father,<br /><br />You probably won't know the help your comments about Deacons has done for my spirit. I have been feeling discouraged when reading comments on more traditional blogs disparaging Deacons. As one who is in formal inquiriy, I had been thinking of abandoning the process.<br /><br />I will return to pastoral care class in January with a renewed sense of purpose.<br /><br />God bless!<br /><br />-TonyTonyhttp://www.manlymen.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36562133.post-3861699269731112932013-12-21T17:51:37.155-05:002013-12-21T17:51:37.155-05:00I've found in my life that Clericalism cuts bo...I've found in my life that Clericalism cuts both ways and comes in all forms: from the Clericalist wearing a Maniple and murmering Latin to the Clericalist beginning Mass with a hearty, "Good morning, Everybody!" and having the kids surround the Altar during the Consecration. I've found Clericalists in religious groups that wear habits, speak softly, and walk close to the walls and in those that sit around watching T.V., wearing no habits, and backbiting the Superior.<br /><br />Maybe, it shouldn't be called Clericalism, rather "Clerical Think." Or, maybe, just Egotism? Or, Narcissism. Or, some combination of the two. What makes Br. Daniel or "Rev. Dr." John feel that EITHER ONE has any handle on what Clericalism is? They are both, after all, Clerics. As a layperson -- or, rather: as one who was anointed as a Participator in Christ's Priesthood, Prophetism, and Kingship at my Baptism -- excuse me for wondering if both of them might be a little too close to the matter to see clearly.<br /><br />Blogging and writing articles takes effort. I know; I've tried a couple times and failed at it. It's more time-consuming thna people think. And, it's a very opinion-based medium: People go to your blog because they want to see what you're thinking and saying. I myself am wondering: Why are these two Clerics here? I'm sure that our two Clerics involved in this tete-a-tete (namely, Br. Daniel and "Rev. Dr." John) have more appropriate ways of exercising their clerical ministry. For instance, St. John Vianney sat in the Confessional for hours upon end in his small parish church, waiting for whichever penitent might show up. Saint Francis of Assisi could be found amongst the People, walking around townsquares, begging for food, praying in the local church. Both John the Priest and Francis the Deacon were Clerics -- but, hardly Clericalists. Wisdom! Be attentive!<br /><br />By the way, as an addendum:<br /><br />A Deacon is a Deacon is a Deacon. A Deacon is not "transitional" ANYTHING . . . anymore than a Priest is <i>in transitum</i> to the Episcopacy. Should we start calling Priests who will never be Bishops: "Permanent Presbyters"? This just shows the silliness of "Clerical Think."mwidunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05865753469746747533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36562133.post-44904137690137619582013-11-29T09:47:00.512-05:002013-11-29T09:47:00.512-05:00Well said. Growing up post-Vatican II, I found out...Well said. Growing up post-Vatican II, I found out only too well how flannel shirts and jeans can be the garb of clericalism. I am waiting for the day when clerics 'get it' that the laity need to be treated as fellow adult Christians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36562133.post-74964014574816817902013-10-17T14:45:01.398-05:002013-10-17T14:45:01.398-05:00I have long found it amazing that those who speak ...I have long found it amazing that those who speak the loudest about tolerance and collaboration are often the most itolerant and least collaborative of all.<br /><br />rbbadgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36562133.post-30096403994042782712013-10-14T18:14:05.103-05:002013-10-14T18:14:05.103-05:00Thank you Father, for speaking truth with the expe...Thank you Father, for speaking truth with the experience and authority given you..You give me hope. <br />Blessings +Carolinehttp://www.bellofthewanderer.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36562133.post-35176580759515278722013-10-14T15:03:15.554-05:002013-10-14T15:03:15.554-05:00You seem to vent about something Fr. Horan didn...You seem to vent about something Fr. Horan didn't say directly. The point was the young clergy who come out of seminary appearing and acting remote from the lives of God's people, not about their sartorial proclivities. It just so happens that many reinforce their alienation and separation by means of titles, formalities and cassocks. (I know how that works, too. I was in seminary for six years and wore the cassock whenever I could. I also know the polyvalent reasons why I wore it.)<br /><br />Yes, one can be tyrannical with a liberal agenda too. No argument there. But the empirical and anecdotal evidence of young priests has to count for something. I fear your full throated defense of traditional practices overlooks the real problem: the alienation of many young men by the prevailing interpretation of the Program of Priestly Formation in US seminaries. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36562133.post-67150772077724801392013-10-14T15:00:48.239-05:002013-10-14T15:00:48.239-05:00"...the crucial question is not does he wear ..."...the crucial question is not does he wear a cassock or does he allow others to call him by his first name (with no title)?"<br /><br />SERIOUSLY?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36562133.post-32853669684972731952013-10-14T08:44:01.064-05:002013-10-14T08:44:01.064-05:00Bravo! Particularly the remarks concerning deacons...Bravo! Particularly the remarks concerning deacons.Fr. Erik Richtsteighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16585104084132192522noreply@blogger.com